tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post5909345591061783972..comments2024-02-17T04:46:38.053-08:00Comments on BIM - for real: Revit Estimatingarchitect11http://www.blogger.com/profile/09370413895214455395noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-33388325161583651932010-07-12T11:46:13.139-07:002010-07-12T11:46:13.139-07:00Hallo in our company we use CostOS BIM Estimating,...Hallo in our company we use CostOS BIM Estimating, where everything is integrated:<br /><br />1. Revit Integration<br />2. Primavera Integration<br />3. BIM Takeoff<br />4. Cost Estimating using commercial databases like means etc<br />5. Cost Visualization<br /><br />check it out: http://www.nomitech.euJohn Moraleshttp://www.terna.grnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-20639099676570880002008-02-10T22:07:00.000-08:002008-02-10T22:07:00.000-08:00Interesting space here... as a former VP with one ...Interesting space here... as a former VP with one of the top estimating software firms for over 10 years, I have been pushing "BIM" for over 25 years ever since AutoCAD was first released. Systems estimating has been trying to formalize for years... with ASTM 1557 (Uniformat II) defining the coding structure, CSI jumped in with a hybrid coding structure, and then there is the RS Means interpretation, and there is the Autodesk Revit adaptation. Part of the problem is the AEC community in general thinks they can be estimators, from conceptual estimating through contract documents. The standard flaw is thinking that “everything” will be on the drawings and that the “one-to-one” mapping is somehow patentable! The key is assemblies, and being able to not only quantify what is on the drawings, but also to qualify the costing by what is in the specifications (e.g. solid gold toilet vs. white porcelain), and then.. being able to price the work, for a given time and location. There won’t be a “silver bullet” without an investment in tools, their integration, and the training to use them… until then, I expect to be working with companies refining their BIM process as it relates to technical project management (CAD, estimating, scheduling, i.e. 5D).DrPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06247867380848788623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-83011528740192007022008-01-08T10:59:00.000-08:002008-01-08T10:59:00.000-08:00Thanks for all the info! Kevin Yu is our contact f...Thanks for all the info! Kevin Yu is our contact for Innovaya so I will make suggestions on getting training. The customer support is lacking a bit but I heard they are communicating from India so direct contact isnt possible.<BR/><BR/>You speak of assigning costs from RS Means into Visual Estimating. Can this be done without the Timberline software? If so, could please elaborate.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13580647905662809725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-68515187741551443552008-01-08T10:32:00.000-08:002008-01-08T10:32:00.000-08:00Also forgot to add that design estimating is geare...Also forgot to add that design estimating is geared towards architects and visual estimating is the more robust estimating platform.architect11https://www.blogger.com/profile/09370413895214455395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-73322772713127797962008-01-08T09:35:00.000-08:002008-01-08T09:35:00.000-08:00Great! I would highly recommend Innovaya due to it...Great! I would highly recommend Innovaya due to it's "sticky" memory. What I mean is once you have assigned a cost to a component (SF of wall. LF of cabinetry, etcc..) it recognizes that component the next time you update the estimate, which saves you a considerable amount of time and you can still export estimates and takeoffs to excel.<BR/><BR/>You will need (regardless of what everyone tells you) to have at least one licensed copy of Revit.The other thing to consider, if you haven't already is that Innovaya has developed a huge cost estimating database that has pretty well done all the hard work for you. What you'll need to add is all of your unit costs and regional cost information, or annually update them per RSMeans, which you're probably doing already.<BR/><BR/>As far as additional training, Kevin Yu, the founder offers training at a fee. You can either do a webcast or have them come to your loaction to see how you have your existing system set up and then work from there.architect11https://www.blogger.com/profile/09370413895214455395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-35850215264942158352008-01-07T08:20:00.000-08:002008-01-07T08:20:00.000-08:00Yes, I work for a construction management firm. We...Yes, I work for a construction management firm. We mostly work with the owners as their representatives.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13580647905662809725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-57628000886346563092008-01-07T08:16:00.000-08:002008-01-07T08:16:00.000-08:00Amanda - First of all thanks for your question. S...Amanda - First of all thanks for your question. Secondly, it depends on what kind of campany and work you do. If you're a construction company like I work for then I can tell you Innovaya, has worked well for us so far. It works great in generating quantities and identifying items that don't have any costs associated with them (Visual Estimating). <BR/><BR/>If you're an architecture firm and you already have strong familiarity with RSMeans then you might want to investigate US Cost software. These tie into the RSMeans cost books and can be exported to excel. (So can Innovaya, but it works best with Timberline).architect11https://www.blogger.com/profile/09370413895214455395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2749760216848588610.post-51117635493352739942008-01-07T06:52:00.000-08:002008-01-07T06:52:00.000-08:00I have currently been designated to disect the Inn...I have currently been designated to disect the Innovaya Visual Simulation, Visual Estimating and Design Estimating for my company with a group of two others. Some of the issues I am running into seem to be with the two Estimating programs. The Tutorials do not seem to be of much help. Are there any tips you can give me to help me to become more proficient. We do not have any Revit design software but we are using RS Means Costworks '08 and have been exporting to Excel since we do not have Timberline.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13580647905662809725noreply@blogger.com